>我现在正在看Shawna 跟她老公Vinton Karrasch's book "YOU CAN TRAIN YOUR HORSE TO DO
ANYTHING".
I see. Shawna's "On Target Training" is a variation of clicker training. I know she has some good ideas but in general I stick with Karen Pryor's and Alex's model. I feel more comfortable with Karen's way.
Here's some information FYI:
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I've seen Shawna's video. She does have one
aspect to her methodology that
is different. It could account for her lack of visibility here.
Alexandra
(and myself and others) have been influenced by Karen Pryor's work. And
she
advocates a one-to-one ratio of clicks to treats. IOW if you click you
stop
and feed. (or reward in some way) Shawna
advocates that after an initial
learning period you can and should move to multiple clicks per treat.
That's a pretty fundamental conflict in philosophy. Not that she is
wrong
(apparently it can work!) but since most of the people HERE follow the
1-1
ratio Shawna's work just doesn't get mentioned
here. It would probably just
confuse people, especially those just getting started.
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I'd love to weigh in on this one, since this whole 1 click=1 treat thing
effected my training greatly. I was introduced to clicker training with
Alex, found Shawna and tried her techniques of a
variable reinforcement with the click.
I can truthfully say THAT method created some very difficult dynamics
with some of my horses. The hand movement became the reliable bridge and
then the horses began to dive towards my hand. I admit at that time I
was newer to the process, but still, after a year of the method I RAN
back to the folds of 1 click = 1 treat.
Also, in teaching I see the effects of "broken clicks" with people who
are new to the process. In a sense, it's the same technique and again, I
see a higher rate of frustration with the horses.
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I think people
do use them that way in the
shaping process and I imagine that the animals do figure out what a
treatless
click means. Shawna refers to horses “trying
harder” with treatless
clicks and I think what she is seeing is some frustration. The
horse knows the click means it did the right thing, but there is no
treat so it
tries harder. I suppose this is one version of using the clicker as
a keep going signal, but it isn’t necessarily about building duration, a
chain, or a sequence which is how I think about keep going signals.
Years ago I
had a chance to watch Shawna
at a clicker clinic and she introduced a horse to targeting and in his
first
session she threw in some treatless clicks so he would get the idea that
they could
happen. What I remember is the disappointment and confusion on the
horse’s
face when the click was not followed by a treat. I am trying to think
if
this is different than the first time we ask for two behaviors before
clicking
or withhold the click and of course, I can’t compare, but I so clearly
remember
that horse’s face that I think it is. On the very first session, his
enthusiasm for clicker training was dampened.
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