[求助]怎样调教马出正确的领跑腿

[求助]怎样调教马出正确的领跑腿

[求助]怎样调教马出正确的领跑腿

回Jose哥哥;

10M的圈乘就太细了, 马匹未有一定的肌肉和柔度做起来是很辛苦的、也很容易令肌肉受伤! 其实15M或20M并无限制, 只需尽量利用场地、而且要要求马匹每圈乘的轨迹都是一样的,当中还需有动作的交替, 这不止是人马一同练习, 而且还可帮助马匹学习等待骑者的提示来做动作!

学习了, RANGER 对外方腿的辅助没有充分反应,今天加了马刺,增强外方腿的压力,它还是缺乏向前的动力,但对调教鞭的反应机敏,可能被我抽怕了

立刻感到它后躯的力量传到我的手缰上,这时再施加轻微的半减却辅助,马头一下子就低下了,怎样让它学会接受的外方腿的辅助,是我现在要解决问题

回Jose哥哥;

在开始调教马匹的过程中, 马刺和调教长鞭的辅助是很必须的, 因这些工具能帮助马匹加深对骑者提示的反应, 但在使用中必须要按照一个原则, 这些工具不是用来惩罚马匹、而是帮忙! 也可以说一匹调教正确的马匹是不应害怕马鞭的!

而说到Ranger的问题, 小弟有一个建议和一个解释。建议就是为Ranger改用一个普通的衔铁(Egg Bite or D Bite), 因现时选用的"牛仔Bite"在场地马术并不合适! "牛仔Bite"是一种限制性较强的衔铁, 主要功用是方便骑者在放牧或追赶畜口时能作出急停、急转等动作。而用于场地马术来说, 选用这类限制性强的衔铁很容易令马匹出现"Behind the bite"(避衔)的情况,在这情况下马匹因不想承受口部过大的压力而作出退缩, 成一种假受衔状态,此时马匹的形态是全收缩的、向前的意欲低和不愿意迈开步幅。小弟估计Ranger正处于这种情况, 所以才令Jose哥哥有马匹缺乏向前动力的感觉。

而说到解释, 小弟感觉Jose哥哥对马匹向前意欲有些误解。当你提示后马匹加大力量向前、并让你从缰绳中感觉到, 这只可以说马匹是加快了向前、把你拉向前，而并不是马的向前意欲增强了。正确的向前动力应是感到力量从马匹的后胯传送到骑者的胯骨、令骑者有被推着向前的感觉，这才是马匹正运用后胯动力的状态。而补充要说的是,就小弟对"向前意欲"的理解, 应是马匹只需收到正确的提示便随时都愿意向前运动,而且步幅是有力量和气势的。 而不是怀疑、犹豫，也不是老想向前冲的感觉! Jose哥哥不防再细心感受一下!

[此贴子已经被作者于2009/10/23 12:18:46编辑过]

谢谢BEELY

又学到了很有用的训练知识.

关于口衔,我会和RANGER的OWNER先讨论下更换,一直以来还自以为现在的骑座够稳, 手也轻多了,马也骑圆了,原来RANGER跟我玩假的,看来要想调教马,还得先加强提高自己, 学习并了解如何使用工具.

回Jose哥哥;

有志者、事竟成! Jose哥哥一定会成功的!

回 BEELY: 马主回复说现在用的这副大勒最适合RANGER, 但还是会带几副来给我试:
今晨去马场果真在工具箱里看到马主带来的3副口衔,有马主支持开始努力毁马

 

[求助]怎样调教马出正确的领跑腿

[此贴子已经被作者于2009/11/4 7:22:52编辑过]

回Jose哥哥;

小弟建议你选用在图中右下角的那副"Egg bit"。从文中小弟感到Ranger的主人对使用衔铁方面可能存着些误解, 因不论"British style or Cowboy style", 控制马匹的前进力量最终还是依靠着"乘坐-Seat", 衔铁只是一种协助的工具。若Jose哥哥有看过牛仔花式骑术表演的, 你应该会留意到表演的马匹很多时都会做出回旋、急转和高速下急停等动作。若马匹不是运用后肢的力量及作为支点是根本做不来的, 从而也可以看出"英式"和"牛仔式"骑法是有一些相通的理论！

小弟相信Jose哥哥绝对能做得来的, 放胆去试试吧!

非常赞成你的建议,今天试了俩副, EGG BIT 更快被RANGER接受

 

[求助]怎样调教马出正确的领跑腿

[求助]怎样调教马出正确的领跑腿

[求助]怎样调教马出正确的领跑腿

[求助]怎样调教马出正确的领跑腿

[求助]怎样调教马出正确的领跑腿

QUOTE:

以下是引用bee_kid在2009/10/29 9:20:00的发言：

回Jose哥哥;

小弟建议你选用在图中右下角的那副"Egg bit"。从文中小弟感到Ranger的主人对使用衔铁方面可能存着些误解, 因不论"British style or Cowboy style", 控制马匹的前进力量最终还是依靠着"乘坐-Seat", 衔铁只是一种协助的工具。若Jose哥哥有看过牛仔花式骑术表演的, 你应该会留意到表演的马匹很多时都会做出回旋、急转和高速下急停等动作。若马匹不是运用后肢的力量及作为支点是根本做不来的, 从而也可以看出"英式"和"牛仔式"骑法是有一些相通的理论！

小弟相信Jose哥哥绝对能做得来的, 放胆去试试吧!

的确, 西部高手可以调教出无口衔无缰骑乘的牛仔花式表演马,可见控制马匹主要是靠骑座,就是我们常说的马是骑出来的!

RANGER是匹在野外会急闪的劣马,特顽劣,马主控不住,它现在用的这副大勒是专门对付外闪的, 衔铁上还有星条旗花纹雕塑.

 

[求助]怎样调教马出正确的领跑腿

Hi,

I'm new here. I hope I can type Chinese but my computer does not let me. I'm in the US. I've been with horses for ~8 years and I have a 4-years old Thoroughbred that I train by myself for eventing.

Feel free to ask me questions if the language is not clear enough for you.

I've some experience in the "correct lead", or "right lead". I assume you know some basic ideas of "half-halt".

The easiest way to do it is:

1.  to "trot" in the circle.

2. When the horse is balanced and in steady rhythm, do the "connecting half-halt", meaning you momentarily ask the horse to go forward with your legs while your hands gently ask the horse not to burst into faster pace.

3. Applying the "connecting half-halt" for 3 sec. At the moment you sit down the trot, open up your inside seat bone, driving the horse from your ouside seat bone, also give it a little touch with your outside leg (you can swing behind). The horse will very likely go into canter with the correct lead.

The reason why this works:

1. The horse in nature enviroment always picks up the correct lead if it traveling in a circle, meaning it always pick up the inner front leg as the lead.

2. The key point is to have your horse balanced. The "connecting half-halt" is to tell your horse that "Horse, I'll ask you to do something 3 sec later". So the horse, with proper training, will start to get ready for the change.

3. The reason why you do on your seat bone is we want our weight to shift away from the horse's inside front leg, which is the leg of the correct lead, while applying the weight on to the horse's outside front leg. With your weight shifted to the ouside, your horse feels much lighter in the inside. At this moment we signal him the "canter" command, so the horse can very easily pick up the leg that does not have weight on.

Hope this helps.

I'm very excited to find this site. As a Chinese away from homeland, I hardly have people with the same culture talking about horsemanship. I wish I can find more like-minded people here.

Regards,

HP

欢迎HP,

你在哪个州啊,我在纽约长岛,你自己训马还玩三日赛,很感兴趣有机会认识下,向你学习!

Welcome HP! You seem professional for the horse trainning! It's helpful for us!

I'm in San Jose, CA. I love training my horse.

My horse was off the race track when he was three. I picked him up the week when he was retired. I went through a lot of good times as well as bad times. Things were all resolved and we're heading for a good companionship. I'm very happy with where I'm now.

BTW, I really want to share with people in China about training horses by oneself. I feel it is the right way to do because the better the horse gets to know you, the more precise and more enjoyable your ride will be.

I just wrote some lengthy ideas in the "new-commer" section. I hope I can get comments from all of you.

HP

回Jose哥哥;

看过你新拍的照片, 小弟觉得一点需补充的;

1) 马匹龙头的水靳带收得过紧了, 这会做成马匹在受衔时咽部受到不适的压力。将心比己, 换了

   Jose哥哥是Ranger, 你会愿意把头低下来吗? 把水靳带放松一点, 大约能垂直放入4根指头的

   松度吧!

2) 在3张照片中, 最后一张的受衔状态是最自然的, 其余的是"over bend"了!

好了, 现在有HP大哥的出场, Jose哥哥一定要抓紧机会哟! 而小弟就可开小差开遛呐! 也好让小弟能从旁偷师偷师!

Hi Jose,

I'd say that using a stronger bit to control the horse that has tendency to bolt or veer is not going to give you the result. It may help for a while. However, too many times I saw horses learn to resist the pressure and they start to throw their head ahead violently to "pull the rider off the saddle".

Animals do things for a reason. It is not because they want to pick a fight with you. When your horse bolts or veers, there's always a reason behind. We should address that first, rather than put stronger restrains to our horse.

For example, my horse, when he was 8 months ago, will buck badly in the covered arena if I ask him to canter. I figure out he bucks because of fear. He was a race horse and was never worked in a covered arena. He never worked together with other horses. It created tension and fear to him when we're in that covered arena. Do I solve this by applying bigger bit or pulling him back with more strength? No. I solve this by riding him walk/trot in the arena for about a month, showing him this is not something to worry about working in the arena. LAter, I ask him to "canter" for just one step. Once he does that, I REWARD him a LOT. We slowly increase the # of steps in the canter and finally we're able to solve the issue.

To me, the best way is to teach the horse to keep its brain on you, meaning teach him to always ask "what do you want? Am I doing the right thing?"

I ride bitless, whenever it is in the trail or in the X-country course. My horse takes care of me because of proper training. We've been together for such a while and we know each other so well.

Of course, easier said than done. It takes a lot of time and patience.

The bottom line is "Horses are always honest in responding to whatever they encounter".

HP

Hi Jose,

I watched your youtube vid. I have some questions:

1. How old is your horse? What kind of training has it done?

2. Does he know how to trot in a nice 20M circle?

3. Do you know posting in the right diagonal?

To me the horse is not sure what you want. So it responds back with something he does not know either.

I think you need to have a solid walk/trot in a nice circle, meaning your horse is bending correctlty before you can ask it to canter under saddle. You can teach him with a lunge line first.

Let me know.

HP

调教马说起来容易做起来很难,这的确需要时间和耐心,

这个月我已经很有耐心只练习基础训练, 今晨在场地热身RANGER 还妥协配合, 出野外, 它老毛病又犯了,RANGER 是匹很严重的 BARN SOUR HORSE, 我租它有一年多了, 我想我没有能力改变它.

 

回BEELY

是RANGER头太大了, 我已把水靳带放下到最极限了,还只勉强放入3根指头